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	<title>Comments on: Prosper: Cease and Desist or Cease to Exist?</title>
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		<title>By: Roche</title>
		<link>http://www.personalloanportfolio.com/272/sec-to-prosper-cease-and-desist/comment-page-1/#comment-2109</link>
		<dc:creator>Roche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The average loan on Prosper is &quot;was&quot; in the 6,000 dollar range but their loan limit is 25,000 which seems quite a bit high for a person-to-person loan to me - 10,000 would be adequate. Prosper and other sites depend on lenders - it&#039;s hard to close a loan when you have nothing to loan - so why then do they charge fees to lenders? It would seem to me that the best way to attract the most &quot;profit hungry&quot; lenders is not to charge them any fees which would eat into their &quot;profits&quot;. Let the borrowers pay the fees - they want the money. Apparently though this novel idea has not yet occurred to the various lending sites and if one were to suddenly have a lightbulb go off over their head,or server,and start using this idea it might increase their loan volume by a significant percentage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The average loan on Prosper is &#8220;was&#8221; in the 6,000 dollar range but their loan limit is 25,000 which seems quite a bit high for a person-to-person loan to me &#8211; 10,000 would be adequate. Prosper and other sites depend on lenders &#8211; it&#8217;s hard to close a loan when you have nothing to loan &#8211; so why then do they charge fees to lenders? It would seem to me that the best way to attract the most &#8220;profit hungry&#8221; lenders is not to charge them any fees which would eat into their &#8220;profits&#8221;. Let the borrowers pay the fees &#8211; they want the money. Apparently though this novel idea has not yet occurred to the various lending sites and if one were to suddenly have a lightbulb go off over their head,or server,and start using this idea it might increase their loan volume by a significant percentage.</p>
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		<title>By: Roche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When these person-to-person lending sites began there were no regulations in place that applied to their function,hence,it is not surprising that legal problems are being encountered as to how they should be governed under banking regulations,although the &quot;cease and desist&quot; order by the SEC is carrying things a bit far,I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When these person-to-person lending sites began there were no regulations in place that applied to their function,hence,it is not surprising that legal problems are being encountered as to how they should be governed under banking regulations,although the &#8220;cease and desist&#8221; order by the SEC is carrying things a bit far,I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a private borrower that used and currently still uses Prosper.  I borrowed $1500 to supplement the funding of a used vehicle purchase for personal commuting.  The interest rate I paid was a little high, but my credit hasn&#039;t been terrific (we had a bankruptcy over 8 years before using Prosper).  However, I elected to accept the loan and make payments as a way to 1) further work to improve my credit score and 2) establish a good payment history for loans on the site itself.  I hope to continue having this option of alternative funding and lending.  Overall, I very much enjoy using the site.  I think it&#039;s a terrific concept, and hope the fair and sensible regulations can enacted to protect borrowers and lenders equally, in order to allow this business to remain in operation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a private borrower that used and currently still uses Prosper.  I borrowed $1500 to supplement the funding of a used vehicle purchase for personal commuting.  The interest rate I paid was a little high, but my credit hasn&#8217;t been terrific (we had a bankruptcy over 8 years before using Prosper).  However, I elected to accept the loan and make payments as a way to 1) further work to improve my credit score and 2) establish a good payment history for loans on the site itself.  I hope to continue having this option of alternative funding and lending.  Overall, I very much enjoy using the site.  I think it&#8217;s a terrific concept, and hope the fair and sensible regulations can enacted to protect borrowers and lenders equally, in order to allow this business to remain in operation.</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody who says prosper suggested their loans are securities is nuts! As a lender I never once derived that these loans are securities. A security by nature usually needs a market place. I&#039;m not interested in trading loans that are just reclassified as promissory notes. I understand the need to have safe guards in place, but now that P2P loaning is becoming successful the traditional loaning entities are crying foul and demand SEC to not allow the general public to become a lender without vast amounts of lending experience. Just another layer of bulls@!t to keep the big boys happy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody who says prosper suggested their loans are securities is nuts! As a lender I never once derived that these loans are securities. A security by nature usually needs a market place. I&#8217;m not interested in trading loans that are just reclassified as promissory notes. I understand the need to have safe guards in place, but now that P2P loaning is becoming successful the traditional loaning entities are crying foul and demand SEC to not allow the general public to become a lender without vast amounts of lending experience. Just another layer of <a href="mailto:bulls@!t">bulls@!t</a> to keep the big boys happy!</p>
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		<title>By: Personal Loan Portfolio</title>
		<link>http://www.personalloanportfolio.com/272/sec-to-prosper-cease-and-desist/comment-page-1/#comment-1465</link>
		<dc:creator>Personal Loan Portfolio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks guys for stopping by to comment. I appreciate it!

David, Prosper nor Lending Club have ever had any trouble with lending across state lines that I am aware of.  The quiet periods are actually due to investment rules rather than lending rules.  Credit cards lend across state lines all the time -- although they may not have the best practices either, but still it is your choice to use or not use their credit.  

It sounds like you are rather mad at Prosper as a borrower. Borrowers received money at rates and terms that they could not have received in other places so I don&#039;t feel much sympathy for any borrower.  Lenders were led to believe that Prosper was a good investment but Prosper did not pay attention to the basics (verification and collections) while only worrying about loan volume.   

Could you provide links to the scholarly studies?  Also, Prosper has provided an incredible means for such studies.  There is likely not evidence that that exact same discrimination does not occur in banks every day. 

Also, most of the lenders are small investors.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lendingstats.com/lenders?sort=loanAmount&amp;sortDirection=DESC&amp;pageNum=200&quot;&gt;90%+ of all lenders loaned $7,000 or less&lt;/a&gt;. If you look at lenders who have an average loan age grater than a year, have $1,000 or more invested on at least 20 loans, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lendingstats.com/lenders?loanCountFilter=1&amp;loanAgeFilter=5&amp;loanAmountFilter=1&amp;submit=Filter&amp;sort=estimatedROIColored&amp;sortDirection=DESC&amp;pageNum=242&quot;&gt;the median return is less than one percent&lt;/a&gt;.  I don&#039;t call that usury -- that is called getting screwed. Prosper always advertised returns much higher than that it its advertising and used loans that had not even turned 30 days old in its estimated ROI calculations. 

Chris, Although, I am not a huge fan of Prosper&#039;s operational effectiveness. I still think it is a good idea and hope that they can come back.  Hopefully, under new management.  It is a finance company being run by web 1.0 people looking for eyeballs.  And I completely agree with the sentiment that the SEC was was blind to extreme rip offs like Maddoff.  While investors &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.personalloanportfolio.com/68/pennsylvania-loans-or-what-were-early-prosper-lenders-thinking/&quot;&gt;like Muleshoes did horribly&lt;/a&gt;, at least Prosper was not a Ponzi scheme and he will get most of his money back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys for stopping by to comment. I appreciate it!</p>
<p>David, Prosper nor Lending Club have ever had any trouble with lending across state lines that I am aware of.  The quiet periods are actually due to investment rules rather than lending rules.  Credit cards lend across state lines all the time &#8212; although they may not have the best practices either, but still it is your choice to use or not use their credit.  </p>
<p>It sounds like you are rather mad at Prosper as a borrower. Borrowers received money at rates and terms that they could not have received in other places so I don&#8217;t feel much sympathy for any borrower.  Lenders were led to believe that Prosper was a good investment but Prosper did not pay attention to the basics (verification and collections) while only worrying about loan volume.   </p>
<p>Could you provide links to the scholarly studies?  Also, Prosper has provided an incredible means for such studies.  There is likely not evidence that that exact same discrimination does not occur in banks every day. </p>
<p>Also, most of the lenders are small investors.  <a href="http://www.lendingstats.com/lenders?sort=loanAmount&#038;sortDirection=DESC&#038;pageNum=200">90%+ of all lenders loaned $7,000 or less</a>. If you look at lenders who have an average loan age grater than a year, have $1,000 or more invested on at least 20 loans, <a href="http://www.lendingstats.com/lenders?loanCountFilter=1&#038;loanAgeFilter=5&#038;loanAmountFilter=1&#038;submit=Filter&#038;sort=estimatedROIColored&#038;sortDirection=DESC&#038;pageNum=242">the median return is less than one percent</a>.  I don&#8217;t call that usury &#8212; that is called getting screwed. Prosper always advertised returns much higher than that it its advertising and used loans that had not even turned 30 days old in its estimated ROI calculations. </p>
<p>Chris, Although, I am not a huge fan of Prosper&#8217;s operational effectiveness. I still think it is a good idea and hope that they can come back.  Hopefully, under new management.  It is a finance company being run by web 1.0 people looking for eyeballs.  And I completely agree with the sentiment that the SEC was was blind to extreme rip offs like Maddoff.  While investors <a href="http://www.personalloanportfolio.com/68/pennsylvania-loans-or-what-were-early-prosper-lenders-thinking/">like Muleshoes did horribly</a>, at least Prosper was not a Ponzi scheme and he will get most of his money back.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.personalloanportfolio.com/272/sec-to-prosper-cease-and-desist/comment-page-1/#comment-1464</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Prosper lender, and I was really enjoying the platform and the service that they were providing. I am not a large lender, I have invested only $750 to date, although I had planned to keep investing small amount&#039;s on a monthly basis. After seeing the results of the SEC&#039;s efforts with guys like Madoff - I would be very happy to continue investing with Prosper. I hope this fails. I hope Prosper is back soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Prosper lender, and I was really enjoying the platform and the service that they were providing. I am not a large lender, I have invested only $750 to date, although I had planned to keep investing small amount&#8217;s on a monthly basis. After seeing the results of the SEC&#8217;s efforts with guys like Madoff &#8211; I would be very happy to continue investing with Prosper. I hope this fails. I hope Prosper is back soon.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prosper is NOT individuals loaning $50 to a friend.  It&#039;s Lenders and large investors ($150,000 or more) skirting consumer protection laws to charge usurious rates and discriminate, as shown in two recent scholarly studies.

It&#039;s Lenders being allowed to cross state lines without properly registering as Lenders.

Prosper themselves admit to violating Truth-in-Lending, Equal Credit Opportunity Act, and Fair Credit and Reporting Act.

The Borrowers should unite and force Propser to prove the underlying debt before making another payment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prosper is NOT individuals loaning $50 to a friend.  It&#8217;s Lenders and large investors ($150,000 or more) skirting consumer protection laws to charge usurious rates and discriminate, as shown in two recent scholarly studies.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Lenders being allowed to cross state lines without properly registering as Lenders.</p>
<p>Prosper themselves admit to violating Truth-in-Lending, Equal Credit Opportunity Act, and Fair Credit and Reporting Act.</p>
<p>The Borrowers should unite and force Propser to prove the underlying debt before making another payment!</p>
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		<title>By: Personal Loan Portfolio</title>
		<link>http://www.personalloanportfolio.com/272/sec-to-prosper-cease-and-desist/comment-page-1/#comment-1449</link>
		<dc:creator>Personal Loan Portfolio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TL and Corey,  After watching Madoff, the big banks, and the latest bank Ponzi scheme in Texas, I am inclined to agree with you.  Big banks likely pay more in legal fees in a year than the dollar amount of loans Prosper generated.  

TL, I am glad that you had a good experience with Prosper as a borrower. Unfortunately, the number of bad experiences for lenders was starting to reach the tipping point where borrowers were going to have much more difficulty getting a loan at a decent rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TL and Corey,  After watching Madoff, the big banks, and the latest bank Ponzi scheme in Texas, I am inclined to agree with you.  Big banks likely pay more in legal fees in a year than the dollar amount of loans Prosper generated.  </p>
<p>TL, I am glad that you had a good experience with Prosper as a borrower. Unfortunately, the number of bad experiences for lenders was starting to reach the tipping point where borrowers were going to have much more difficulty getting a loan at a decent rate.</p>
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		<title>By: T. L. Hood</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. L. Hood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos Corey; tell it like it is.
 I got (and still am paying on)a loan from Prosper about a year and a half ago. I tried to go thru my bank first but they turned me down. I really needed the loan for car repairs and consolidation and the good folks at Prosper took a chance on me (when my own bank wouldn&#039;t). Face it; most financial institutions laughed when Prosper came onto the scene with their new innovative way to loan money; they just knew it would fall flat. Imagine the horror when they realized Prosper wasn&#039;t just getting people with &quot;poor credit&quot; loans, but people with good credit were starting to get loans there also. Someone brought down the hatchet because OMG the people had taken matters into their own hands and was actually making it work!
 Shame on you SEC- if you would go after the blood sucking mortgage brokers and lousy credit card companies with as much zeal we might have half a chance on surviving in this economy!              
                     
                                 TL Hood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos Corey; tell it like it is.<br />
 I got (and still am paying on)a loan from Prosper about a year and a half ago. I tried to go thru my bank first but they turned me down. I really needed the loan for car repairs and consolidation and the good folks at Prosper took a chance on me (when my own bank wouldn&#8217;t). Face it; most financial institutions laughed when Prosper came onto the scene with their new innovative way to loan money; they just knew it would fall flat. Imagine the horror when they realized Prosper wasn&#8217;t just getting people with &#8220;poor credit&#8221; loans, but people with good credit were starting to get loans there also. Someone brought down the hatchet because OMG the people had taken matters into their own hands and was actually making it work!<br />
 Shame on you SEC- if you would go after the blood sucking mortgage brokers and lousy credit card companies with as much zeal we might have half a chance on surviving in this economy!              </p>
<p>                                 TL Hood</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Chambers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey Chambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The SEC is on the wrong path with Prosper. The cease and desist document shows the failure of the SEC to understand and properly deal with a very important innovation in financial transactions.  The SEC is mischaracterizing Prosper as a double-blind investment securities seller.  Prosper is actually a service that helps individuals come together as a community to help each other financially.  It is very oten used by friends and family members as a stuctured way to transact the lending of small amounts of money to each other.

Prosper works for individual borrowers and lenders like eBay acts for buyers and sellers.  Prosper takes very responsible extra steps of gathering much personal financial information, including credit information, which helps individual lenders make much better informed decisions that they can without Prosper.

The SEC has a dirty hand in our currect economic recession, failing to focus on what should be its prime objective of protecting us from fraudsters such as dishonest mortgage brokers, and the $50 billion Bernie Maddoff ripoff that the SEC utterly and woefully failed to investigate even after many complaints.

It doesn&#039;t take much financial knowledge to understand that the SEC is wrong to put complicated, irrelevant regulations and impossible lending requirements onto individual investors lending $50 to a friend, family member or Prosper community member.

Please contact the SEC to let them know that community lending services are about a community of individuals, and that the SEC must adapt to be able to recognize and deal with Prosper as the type of service that it really is.

Corey Chambers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SEC is on the wrong path with Prosper. The cease and desist document shows the failure of the SEC to understand and properly deal with a very important innovation in financial transactions.  The SEC is mischaracterizing Prosper as a double-blind investment securities seller.  Prosper is actually a service that helps individuals come together as a community to help each other financially.  It is very oten used by friends and family members as a stuctured way to transact the lending of small amounts of money to each other.</p>
<p>Prosper works for individual borrowers and lenders like eBay acts for buyers and sellers.  Prosper takes very responsible extra steps of gathering much personal financial information, including credit information, which helps individual lenders make much better informed decisions that they can without Prosper.</p>
<p>The SEC has a dirty hand in our currect economic recession, failing to focus on what should be its prime objective of protecting us from fraudsters such as dishonest mortgage brokers, and the $50 billion Bernie Maddoff ripoff that the SEC utterly and woefully failed to investigate even after many complaints.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take much financial knowledge to understand that the SEC is wrong to put complicated, irrelevant regulations and impossible lending requirements onto individual investors lending $50 to a friend, family member or Prosper community member.</p>
<p>Please contact the SEC to let them know that community lending services are about a community of individuals, and that the SEC must adapt to be able to recognize and deal with Prosper as the type of service that it really is.</p>
<p>Corey Chambers</p>
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		<title>By: Updated Review of My Prosper Lending Experience &#124; Personal Loan Portfolio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Updated Review of My Prosper Lending Experience &#124; Personal Loan Portfolio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a few minutes ago to transfer out money again because I want keep my account free of cash since the SEC cease and desist order against Propser and the quiet period have increased the possibility that Prosper could fold. I have been worried [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Personal Loan Portfolio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Personal Loan Portfolio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prosper should still be doing collections despite this. In fact, they have an interest in collecting since they earn one percent of the interest -- although their interest is much smaller than the lenders. I fear that borrowers will be mistaken that they can avoid payment due to this judgment by the SEC which could overrun Prosper&#039;s already poor collection process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prosper should still be doing collections despite this. In fact, they have an interest in collecting since they earn one percent of the interest &#8212; although their interest is much smaller than the lenders. I fear that borrowers will be mistaken that they can avoid payment due to this judgment by the SEC which could overrun Prosper&#8217;s already poor collection process.</p>
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